When I
began this series of reminiscences, muchachos, I warned y’all “favorite” would not
always equate to “best” where the sky and what I saw is concerned. Some of my
best times have been at star parties that were clouded-out or near
about. What made them fun was spending time with brother and sister amateur astronomers, learning new stuff, and buying new stuff. Oh, and drinking, of course! Conversely, those events with the best skies haven't always been the most fun. But it's also true clear skies help. You can put up with a lot of minuses when you've got good observing to look forward to and some clouded-out star parties just ain't much fun at all.
So it was
with the 1997 edition of the vaunted Texas Star Party. Looking over my notes from sixteen years
ago, I’m surprised to see we had three-and-a-half nights out of seven that were
good enough for some deep sky voyaging. I tend to remember ’97 as the year when
the weather was so bad we didn’t see a cotton-picking thing. That's probably because the "everything else" didn't live up to my expectations. Not hardly.
In fact, my experience at TSP 1997 was in general pretty danged lousy. I have some fond memories of the event, but not many, not many. It is in the "favorites" column only because it was my first visit to a legendary, storied event, and I remember it semi-fondly for that reason and not much else.
The story
begins in the fall of 1996, when my long-time observing companion, Pat Rochford, and I began talking about
something we’d skylarked on for a couple of years: attending the famous Texas Star Party held in
the spring under the dark skies of Fort Davis not far from McDonald
Observatory. Yeah, we’d talked about it before, but this time was different, this year we were serious. We were going. We even sent off for registration materials. And got
ahold of a former Possum Swamp Astronomical Society (the name of which club has been changed to protect innocent and guilty alike) member, Joe Diefenbach, an enthusiastic ATM
and observer whose job had required him to move back to Germany. Joe had been
to TSP before and we suspected he might want to go again.
He did,
which was good. What was not so good was that we began to drift off the beam.
The first misstep we made was deciding we would camp instead of pony-up for beds
in a bunkhouse. I guess Pat and I just didn’t understand how brutal the Sun and
weather can be on an open field in Texas, and apparently Joe had forgotten. This was a mistake we didn't learn from, as we did the same cotton-picking thing a few years later. Sigh. We were just young(er) and foolish, I reckon. If we were going to
camp for a cotton-picking week, Unk should at least have trotted to the
sporting goods store and bought a decent-sized tent. Instead, I borrowed a
small pup tent from Pat.
Our next
misstep? It’s hard to say our desire to take so much dadgum gear to the Texas
Star Party was a mistake. It’s more the way we chose to do so. We rented the
biggest Ryder truck this side of a tractor-trailer. Between the three of us
that was easy to afford. The problem would turn out to be one of practicality,
not expense.
The truck
was way more than we needed. Hard to park. Hard riding enough to rattle our bones
good given the decrepit state of much of I-10 in Texas. We could have got Pat’s
telescope, a big 24-inch Dobsonian, in the next size of truck down, maybe
even in a large van, and could have crammed Joe’s 12-inch Dob and my 8-inch SCT
in there with it. Chances are we couldn’t have got the additional scopes we
were dead-set on packing, Pat’s 8-inch f/7 Newtonian and Old Betsy, my 12-inch
f/4.8 Dobbie, in even a large van. But a nice van sure would have been easier
to handle and a lot more comfortable. In the end it turned out we wouldn't have much missed those extra scopes anyway. We didn't get to use our main scopes that much.
What was our most profound mistake, though? Deciding to go to TSP 1997 at all. As Christmas season 1996 approached, we began hearing
disturbing rumors on the nascent amateur astronomy Internet and in particular on
the sci.astro.amateur Usenet bulletin board. Seemed as there’d been a big falling out
between the TSP organizers and the owners of the Prude (dude) Ranch where the
event had been held almost from the beginning.
Well before
December was out, the rumors had turned to cold, hard facts. There would be no
Texas Star Party in Fort Davis in 1997. The organizers were now looking for a
new location. Pat and I did some ruminating over the situation. Even if TSP
was no-go, we really, really wanted to experience a big star party that spring.
Not a semi-local event like The Peach State Star Gaze (held in May that year), but one under genuinely dark skies way out
west.
What could
that be? There was another and similar star party out there, a new one, The
Nebraska Star Party, which would be in its third year. Unfortunately, a look at
the NSP website revealed it was still in its developmental stages, without much
in the way of amenities—like food and shelter, for God’s sake. It would also be
an even longer drive for us than Fort Davis.
Just as I
began to think I’d be headed to Jackson, Georgia and the PSSG after all, we got
an email from the TSP folks. The star party would
be held, but in a new location, one they thought would be purty good: The Alto Frio Baptist Encampment (church
camp) near Leakey, Texas in the Hill Country. Supposedly, the site had good
facilities and was eager to have us. That sounded OK, but I still wasn’t happy,
“The ONE gull-dern year I get to do TSP, I don’t get to do it at
Prude Ranch?!”
There was a
bright side, though. Leakey, Texas was over four hours closer to us than Fort
Davis, and that was a Good Thing given a joint decision to drive the entire 14-hour trip in one day. Above all, we was het-up for a big star party and were
not about to change our plans.
I did look
at a map of Texas, and what I saw was disturbing. Appeared to me Leakey was
close enough to San Antonio to be in range of the light dome of that big city
when the air was humid, and I knew from having been stationed in San Antone when
I was in the Air Force in the 70s that the air is almost always humid in the
Hill Country in spring. Still, the site had been checked and blessed by TSP
honchos, who, I assumed, knew what they were doin' (ha!), and the skies of Jackson, Georgia would have been even more light dome and
humidity challenged than those of Leakey, I supposed. What Could Happen?
At 2:30 a.m.
on Sunday morning May 4, a truck even larger than I’d imagined pulled up in
front of Chaos Manor South and shortly we were on I-10 headed west. We could do
65 mph, and that was about it, so it was a long and wearying journey across the
Gulf Coast and Louisiana and into Texas. Not exactly an unmemorable one, however.
I took over
driving from Pat at the Louisiana line. Miss Dorothy had warned me about a
bridge she said I wouldn’t like one bit, and I presumed that was the I-10
Mississippi River bridge. It wasn’t fun shepherding the huge truck over the
long bridge over the Mississip, but it wasn’t that bad, either. Smooth sailing after
that, I thought. Ha!
Rolling
through Lake Charles, Louisiana, I became aware of an odd-looking structure up
ahead. In a few minutes, we were close enough to see what it was: an enormous,
towering bridge, the Calcasieu River
Bridge. It was high, with a grade that seemed to approach 45-degrees—to
slightly gephyrophobic Unk, anyway. Good thing I didn’t know the bridge had
been rated structurally deficient for years.
By the time
I realized what was up ahead, I had no choice but to keep going. We were on the
bridge approach and there was no place to stop and let Pat or Joe take over. I
gripped the wheel with cold and sweaty hands, put the truck squarely on the white
line despite the honking of the cars behind me, slowed to 45, and finally got
to the other side.
As we
approached Alto Frio after 14 freaking hours on the road (we had decided to make the trip in one day to save money, another mistake, I soon decided), Joe, who was driving,
commented on the beauty of the Hill Country hills, which were more like small
mountains, and all the pretty wildflowers. Rut-roh.
Says Unk, “You know what causes wildflowers, doncha, Joe? RAIN.” A look out the
window showed there was every chance of the flowers getting more. The sky
wasn’t socked in, but there were plenty of drifting clouds to go with the
spring sunshine.
What would be
would be. At 4:30 p.m., we were pulling in the front gate of Alto Frio Baptist
Encampment, getting registered, and heading for the observing field we planned
to use, the smaller of the two, the South Field. Parked the hulking engine of destruction along the fence and started looking
for a place to pitch our tents. Unk was of the opinion we should stay next to
the truck, but I was overruled by my compadres, who voted for someplace under
trees and out of the Sun. Which turned out to be both good and bad in the end. The
good was we found a nice, cool(ish) patch of shade for the tents on the opposite side
of the field. The bad? That would come later.
After setting
up our five telescopes on the field not far from the truck, we were ready for some grub—big-time. What were the three best things about Alto
Frio? That’s easy: food, food, and food. That first night we dined on huge grilled Texas
ribeyes with all the fixings, and the rest of the meals were every bit as good.
The dining hall was huge and lovely, and this was the best food I have had at a
star party anywhere over the last thirty-something years.
After
supper, I turned a critical eye on the sky as we strolled back to the field. “Not
good, but not bad” was my verdict. There were still plenty of the clouds I’d noticed on the way in, but there was little doubt we’d get some
observing in on Sunday night.
And we did,
we did. In addition to cloudy patches, there was some haze to devil us off and
on, but overall the night wound up in the “plus” column. As I feared, humidity
and haze made for a prominent light dome in the direction of San Antonio, but
the sky was reasonably dark elsewhere. It was indeed better than what I’d have
had at Peach State. But you know what? It wasn't worlds better.
The loudly buzzing fly in the butter was we were some kind of tired. Up at 1:30 a.m. that
morning and only catnaps on a looong road trip did not make for an all-nighter. My
original goal had been to set up the C8, Celeste, for prime focus astrophotography
and get some shots on the first night in case the weather turned punk—which,
alas, the weather reports we’d heard since our arrival indicated it might. As I
struggled to remember how to do a polar alignment, howsomeever, I gave in and
admitted I wasn’t up to guided imaging. It would be visual all the way with Old
Betsy.
Turned out
it had been a good idea to bring Bets along. Her 12-inch mirror
delivered plenty of dim marvels, and even though she was still in her original
Meade Sonotube body, she was less affected by the wind that began to blow at
mid evening than the huge truss tube dobs that littered the field.
Best things
I saw Sunday night? M51 was spectacular, with the “bridge” between it and its little
companion, NGC 5195, easier than I ever remembered it being. Oh, it wasn’t
nearly as good as it would be two years hence when Miss Dorothy and I finally made it out to Prude Ranch, but it was spectacular nevertheless, with its
spiral structure blatantly obvious.
Of course I looked at Omega Centauri, which
was a mind-blowing swarm of fireflies, but the best object that night was M83,
The Southern Pinwheel. In light pollution it is usually a blob; here its spiral
arms and central bar were more than evident. It looked, as Timothy Ferris
describes it in his old book Galaxies, “alive with motion.” If it was
wonderful in Old Betsy, it was dern near indescribable in the 30-inch Dobsonian
set up next to me.
There were
times we had to wait for sucker holes, but we pressed on till 2:30 a.m. anyway,
when the three of us threw in the towel. Not because we were exhausted, which
we were, but because the clouds had been getting increasingly more numerous
since midnight and the wind kept building and building. We headed back to the area of our tents, where I plopped down
in a lawn chair, opened a bottle of Yell, and assessed the evening. Not
perfect, not close to it, and not comparable to what I’d been told to expect of
the desert skies at Prude. But good, very good, and if we could get a week of
nights at least as good, Unk would be a happy camper.
Dawn brought
skies no clearer than Sunday’s, but they didn’t look much worse, either. I’d
had a restful enough night in my sleeping bag and had begun to think this
camping thing would be just alright. My rude awakening in that regard came when
I headed to the bathrooms/bathhouse for my morning ablutions.
The bathhouse Alto Frio provided for our camping area proved to be substandard to be kind. Concrete floors that had not been washed in quite a while—months it
looked to me like. No shower curtains. Poorly lighted. Worst of all, even
though we complained, the Alto Frio staff did not clean the place the whole
time we were there. Not once. By the following Saturday it would be referred to
as “The Black Hole of Alto Frio.”
We had
elected not to participate in the breakfast part of the meal plan, since we thought we’d never be up early enough to
make that pay. What we hadn’t considered was all three of us were used to
getting up early and would have a hard time sleeping in, even after late nights,
and especially after early nights. We had had the good sense to bring along a
Mr. Coffee, which made us awfully popular on the field early in the morning,
since our fellow attendees had mostly eschewed the breakfasts, too.
How did we
fill the long hours between dawn and the late DST sunset? Enjoying lunch in the
cafeteria. Getting acquainted with a few of the nearly 550 fellow amateurs
present—we soon ran into a contingent of Deep South Regional Star Gaze attendees from the Ponchartrain Astronomical Society. And natcherly by buying stuff in Vendors’ Hall.
And what a
vendors’ hall it was! If anything at Alto Frio was memorable other than the food, it was
the spacious building assigned to dealers. Almost everybody who was anybody
back in them days was there. Our old friend Rex from Rex’s AstroStuff, Lumicon,
Mag 1 (the famous Portaball telescope people), AstroSystems, Astronomy to Go, Pocono
Mountain Optics (who were huge in those days), and more. I was sorry Celestron didn’t show, but there was
plenty of stuff to drool over.
I
immediately turned over 150 Georgie Washingtons to the much-loved and now gone
Pocono for a Celestron f/6.3 reducer-corrector, which I’d decided weeks ago
would be my major purchase. I was back into imaging with the SCT, was tired of
doing that at f/10, and hoped the 6.3 would be better than the putrid f/5
reducer lenses I’d heard about over the years. It would also prove to be a boon for visual work, turning my Ultima 8 into a much more versatile scope.
After
another good supper, it was time for observing. Monday evening wasn’t as
good as Sunday, with still more haze and longer waits between cloudy
stretches, but it was bearable. I was able to complete my astrophotography agenda for
the star party by getting a couple of shots of Omega Centauri though my new
reducer-corrector. After Omega, I imaged some Messiers including M13, M3, and
M53 and did some visual observing with both Celeste and Old Betsy before the
weather gods decided it would be an early evening for us, with the sky closing
down around one in the morning.
It wasn’t
all flat-out pedal-to-the-metal observing Monday night. We’d had to take a few breaks
due to cloudy stretches and strolled over to the big North Observing Field
during one. It was there Pat and I discovered a major down-check for the
site. Both fields were bordered by the main road we’d come in on and there was
a surprising amount of traffic on it. This didn’t seem to be much of a problem
for our field, which was set slightly farther back and shielded by some trees;
it was a big problem for the North
Field. TSP organizers had tried to protect the telescopes from the headlights
of passing cars by hanging dozens and dozens of tarps (donated by local folks) along
the site’s fence.
This 8’ tall
“light fence” worked somewhat for some observers—until the wind began to blow
the tarps. It didn’t work at all for the users of the biggest Dobs, who were
above the fence/tarps on their tall ladders and constantly bathed in headlights.
The only saving grace was the traffic died out late in the evening. But by
then the clouds had shut down observing, anyway. This headlight problem, if
nothing else, would make Alto Frio’s viability as a permanent home for the TSP
doubtful, very doubtful, Unk thought.
Tuesday
morning brought worse weather still. At dawn, the sky was completely overcast
and stayed that way all day long. What did we poor pilgrims do? Wandered around,
running into old friends and making new ones like Tom and Jeannie Clark and
legendary observer Barbara Wilson and her husband, Buster. There was also the
Birmingham Astronomical Society’s ever-ebullient Ed Boutwell, who was as good-humored
as ever despite the clouds.
What else
did we do? We ate and took yet another tour of Vendors’ Hall. That was all we could do, since lectures and programs
would not begin until Wednesday. Well, not quite all. We kept wandering by the TSP Office near the main gate where
weather reports were posted. That did nothing for our spirits, since the
forecasts were uniformly dismal, showing a cold front stalled just north of
Alto Frio. We would get no clear skies till it moved through, and it didn’t
appear to be in any hurry to do that.
That had a pretty deleterious effect on our moods, and before long the three of us were getting awful irritated by each-other and tired of each-other's company. Add to that Joe's disappointment with his beautifully executed ATM 12-inch. It didn't perform anywhere near like he'd hoped. Including optically. Its Parks Optical (once a respected firm) mirror was considerably poorer than the "bargain" primary in my lowly Meade.
Tuesday
night was unbroken cloud cover without a sucker hole big enough to reveal a
single star. Pat and I sat around a table on the field with a few other
folks drinking “sarsaparilla” and talking telescopes. I am usually up for that big time,
but this particular conversation did not exactly light my
fire; in fact, after a few (I thought) nasty comments directed my way, I had had quite enough. I excused myself and headed to the tent, hoping for a better night and a better mood Wednesday.
Wouldn’t you
know it? More and thicker clouds at dawn and the bathhouse was dirtier and
smellier than ever. At least there was lunch, and, even better, the beginning
of the TSP’s renowned programs. I thought astrophotographer Robert
Reeves’ presentation on wide-field imaging was pretty good. It went on for quite a while, but that was a good thing since there wasn't much else to do. I only hoped I’d get a chance to
try some of the tips I picked up from him at his talk before the dadgum star
party was over.
Other
highlights Wednesday? Pat and I were introduced to former Astronomy Magazine Editor Richard Berry, a hero of mine. Richard
was at the top of his game, riding the crest of the incredible popularity (in a
small amateur astronomy way) of his CCD
Camera Cookbook. Even silly old Unk eventually tried to build one of Mr.
Berry’s Cookbook Cameras, one begun by a fellow Possum Swamp club member. Unfortunately, this feller had made a bit of a mess of it, and I gave it up as a bad business before I got much farther with it.
The evening’s
talks were all good, with (then) Sky & Telescope Contributing Editor Steve O’Meara’s being the standout, I reckon.
It was cloudy when we went in and it was cloudy every time I peeped outside the
big meeting hall/auditorium during the programs, so at least everybody was
relaxed and not worried speakers were going to cut into observing time. After
the talks were done, I retrieved a brewski and hung out outside the auditorium,
shooting the breeze with folks including Steve O'Meara who, like me, weren’t even
close to ready to turn in.
If we had
been hoping the weather would be better Thursday, those hopes were dashed at
dawn when that cold front finally began to roar through. At 5 a.m., raindrops
on my tent awakened me. A pleasant enough sound that, combined with the hush of
the breeze blowing through the trees, soon had me drifting back to sleep. Till,
just a few minutes later, my tent began to shudder in a gale force wind that
was threatening to blow it down.
I freaked OUT. I
jumped up, pulled on shorts and a t-shirt, wrapped my sleeping bag and pillow
in a tarp to keep them dry if the tent did collapse, and ran for the truck. I
was soaked by the time I got to the Ryder, but at least I was ahead of the
worst of the storm, which included awesome thunder and lightning. I was now
sorry I had listened to reason concerning the shade trees and hadn’t pitched my
tent alongside our vehicle anyway. Pat, also soaked, was there ahead of me.
We were
concerned Joe was MIA but needn’t have been. His tent stood up to the storm
and he, unlike us, was dry. When the rain slacked up, we found Joe and discovered
our tents had remained standing, too. The Dobsonians were fine under tarps
staked to the ground, and the C8 was in her case in the back of the
truck—Wednesday night we’d had a good idea severe weather was coming and soon.
We spent Thursday
afternoon hanging out on the field, which was getting even older than it already had been, but doing sightseeing in a deuce-and-a-half truck didn’t seem practical.
Joe had made friends with a couple of guys he met on the field, who gave him a
ride into town to the local donut shop. They were kind enough to bring me and Pat
some of the fat-pills, though it wasn’t like we were starving given Alto Frio’s
plentiful food.
The
highlight of Thursday was again the evening talks, and especially Richard
Berry’s “What CCDs Bring to Amateur Astronomy.” In 1997, CCD cameras were still
mysteries to us Joe and Jane amateurs, and we were eager for information about the
supposed revolution in astrophotography. The inimitable Mr. Berry gave us that information
in spades. His presentation almost made up for the fact there was
absolutely no observing Thursday night and was the single truly outstanding program of the entire star party.
What did I think about the continually dismal weather reports? I thought this was getting ridiculous, and also thought
that if the weather didn’t improve it might not be a bad idea for us to head
home Friday. I had just about reached my infamous I Have Had Enough stage.
Friday
morning came in with still cloudy but slightly improved skies, so I held my peace
about hitting the road. I was well aware when you pull up stakes early you
usually miss some good observing. A lot of folks apparently didn’t share my
opinion; both observing fields were emptying out by early afternoon.
What went on
during the remainder of Friday after lunch? I did a little more buying, but not
for me, for Miss Dorothy. I purchased a piece of jewelry made from a meteorite
from AstroSystems. Randy Cunningham’s wife, Judy, who handled the jewelry part
of their business, was showing off some nice pieces indeed. I was pleased with
what I got for D., who’d been such a good sport about our decidedly hare-brained
expedition. She was far more supportive and understanding than I had any right to expect.
Most of the
rest of Friday was pleasant enough, but not all. After supper, the TSP held a general
meeting to discuss plans for next year’s event, and it was a contentious one.
It’s hard for amateurs to be upbeat when the skies are cloudy, and that was
made worse by the fact that most of us had traveled so far and had been looking
forward to TSP ’97 for so long. It was understandable many blamed the TSP organizers for the choice
of a poor site, and one outraged woman stood up and nearly screamed at the stage that
they had RUINED THE TSP AND HER WHOLE VACATION.
She sure wasn’t
the only one who felt that-a-way. Even normally easygoing Unk was right put out. Yes, Prude Ranch had had some cloudy nights too (some diehards held a competing star party there, the West Texas Star Party, because they believed Alto Frio was a poor site). But anybody with a lick of sense should have known the Texas Hill Country is no place for a spring star party and that the "brilliant" idea of a light fence was ridiculous. The meeting ended with the organizing committee
assuring the audience that they would go back to negotiating with the Prudes in
hopes of returning The Texas Star Party to Prude Ranch in 1998.
Thankfully,
Friday night also brought a moving talk by David Levy, TSP ‘97’s keynote
speaker, “A Time for Comets,” which got most everybody in a slightly better mood. What got us
in a better humor still was, almost unbelievably, semi-clear skies. We were
absolutely floored when we left the hall after the evening presentations and
saw there were a few stars winking on. By 11:30, I could almost describe the
Texas skies as “clear,” and it was time to untarp the scopes.
My initial
plan was to take some insurance shots of Omega Centauri, but it was soon
obvious the sky would be not good enough for that. It was a lot
like Monday night: fairly good stretches
followed by lengthy intermissions. What did Betsy and I essay? Quite a few objects
bright and dim. The highlight was probably peculiar galaxy NGC 5128, Centaurus
A, which looked much better than it ever did from home. Both lobes were easy,
as was the incredible dark lane. Yeah, we had to take some breaks, but were
able to keep going till 2 a.m. when thick haze rolled in.
Saturday
morning brought the last day of the star party. Was I sorry about that? Not that much. I’d had an OK time more or less, but I was weary of sleeping in a tent and trying to
get clean in that dadgum Black Hole of a bathhouse. Did I mention the bugs?
There were some, including fracking ticks. And there was the clouds. And the humidity. I had reached that I have had enough stage for well and good.
Dawn didn’t
just bring the last full day of TSP ’97, though; it brought clear blue skies.
Finally. The anticipation of good viewing actually made it harder to get through that long, long Saturday. The only highlight
of which was the prize drawing, the fabled Great Texas Giveaway. Naturally, I
didn’t win a consarned thing.
Eventually,
the Sun sank, and we were able to begin observing on what was the best night,
the only really good night, of the star party. The Milky Way burned fiercely,
but my appreciation of it was tempered by the knowledge we’d be driving home in
the morning, Sunday morning, and would, again, do the whole thing in one stinking day.
Nevertheless,
Saturday night was one for the books. The Milky Way was a great edge-on spiral
galaxy stretching from horizon to horizon. I spent the first part of the
evening doing piggyback imaging all up and down its spine, everything from the North America Nebula to the star fields of Centaurus. That done, I reimaged
Omega just in case. I ended the evening doing visual observing with Betsy, with
the last object of the night and the star party being The Eagle Nebula. With
my OIII filter, the “fingers of god” dark nebulae at the Eagle’s heart were as
good as I’d ever seen ‘em visually. We were tempted to go till dawn, but there
was that drive. My turns-into-a-pumpkin time came at two in the a.m.
The drive
back home was something I’d as soon forget. It was long and dreary with the
three of us being as tired as we were. We stopped for burgers and cokes as we
neared Louisiana, but that only helped marginally. When I took my turn for one
of the last legs, darkness coming on, it was all I could do to keep my peepers
open. I will tell y’all the truth: even
though I was substantially younger than I am today, it took me a pea-picking
week to recover from “the TSP experience.”
When all was
said and done, was I glad I went to the 1997 Texas Star Party? There is no use
sugar coating it. The site was a poor one. Oh, the facilities were
good—with the exception of that slimy bathroom—but it was just not a good place
to practice astronomy. We never should have traveled in that damned truck, and we never should have tent camped. Oh, hindsight is 20-20, but when the news came TSP would be near San Antonio, I should have said, "Boys, I lived there. It's not a spot for a star party, but y'all have fun, now."
That was hardly the end of my Texas Star Party story, though. All that bad stuff would be forgiven in 1999 when Dorothy and I got the
real TSP experience in Fort Davis. And as I got older, I came to realize that in life, and amateur astronomy too, you can't expect rainbows and unicorns every time.
Next Time:
MORE HERSCHEL FUN!
I was there glade to find someone else remembers it. I went with David lee from Detroit I think.
ReplyDeleteGiles Dennis Collins
At the time i went we lived in Piqua ohio and I be longed at Brukners nature center.