Sunday, April 13, 2014
Telescope Trouble
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| Who is that silly, old hillbilly? |
As in, “How do you keep out of it?” One thing’s sure: there is plenty of telescope trouble to go
around, muchachos. Why? When us amateur astronomers go out to buy a new
telescope today, what we expect is one that’s got all the latest computer
frills, is dirt cheap, works perfectly out of the box, and continues to work
that way for a long time. These things are not necessarily mutually exclusive, but they can be, oh, they can be.
In these latter days, it’s easy to buy an inexpensive telescope
(relatively speaking) with every computerized gimcrack imaginable. The problem,
sometimes, is getting one that works right. Our market, the worldwide market
for amateur grade scopes, is relatively small, so the companies who sell to us are relatively small. Being
small and charging low prices for gear means a company’s ability to
perfect the designs of complex electronic systems and adequately QA those
systems may be limited.
There are small outfits,
like Astro-Physics and Takahashi, for example, that will sell you a scope or
mount of the very highest quality. You will have to forget “inexpensive,”
though. If you are a cheapskate like your old Uncle Rod and buy from Celestron
and Meade and the other Fords and Chevys, of the astro biz? You have to be
prepared for a telescope or mount that is not perfect out of the box. Or even
one that arrives DOA. There are ways to lessen those hairline reducing and blood pressure increasing experiences though.
You do that by following a few simple “rules,” the first of
which is, “Don’t be an Early Adopter.”
Given the nature of the astronomy marketplace, that’s the worst thing you can be. Ask the folks who sprang for the
fraking Meade LX80. That mount, a take on
the side-by-side style alt-azimuth mounts marketed by iOptron for some years,
the Mini-Towers and their kin, sounded like the kitten’s meow. Here was a mount
that would offer sophisticated goto via the AUDIOstar (not Autostar) HC. The damn
thing would talk to you. Didn't want
to bother with an equatorial alignment for visual use? Set it up as an
alt-azimuth mount. Want to do imaging? Back to EQ mode you went.
Frankly, Unk was impressed by the LX80’s specs and pictures.
Especially given the announced less-than-1K price. Not only did the mount sound good, it looked good. Beautiful stainless steel tripod. A mount head that wasn’t
just attractive but appeared heavy on the metal and light on the plastic. Oh,
and it could support TWO scopes in alt-azimuth mode side by side with a payload
of up to 70 pounds. For equatorial work? Up to 40 pounds, same as the
time-honored Synta/SkyWatcher Atlas EQ-6.
Did I rush out and buy one? Hell no. In addition to his
ingrained horror at being one of them early adopters, another of Unk’s rules dissuaded
him: “If’n It Sounds Too Good to be
True, It Probably Is.” Before you let something like the LX80 hook you, think about it. In this case, what I
ruminated on was the question of what a mount with this much capacity, a goto
controller, periodic error correction, and all the LX80’s many other features should cost? The answer I came up with by
comparing it to similar rigs on the market was was “more than 2,000 bucks” (the price of
the Synta AZ-EQ-6). Yet Meade was offering the 80 for little more than a third
of that, about 800 dollars.
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| Jack and former friend... |
The sister to the above two rules is “Don’t Buy from a Company in Financial Trouble.”
This is at least as important as “Don’t be an Early Adopter.” Maybe even
moreso. If you get a scope or mount not ready for primetime, you can usually expect its problems to be fixed
(eventually) by a solvent company with some resources. An outfit on the rocks?
Not hardly. Dang sure don’t depend on bankruptcy laws to get the bugs out of
your hand control software.
Meade had been in trouble for some years before the LX80
debacle. Too late, they’d decided it was too expensive to make telescopes in
California anymore, and belatedly moved production to China and Mexico. Meade’s problems were apparent to me by 2006, the year their
revolutionary new SCT, the RCX400, hit the market with a resounding thud.
That
same year, I got to experience the company’s QA decline firsthand. Given the
condition of my new ETX125 was in when it arrived, Meade’s QA program had gone
straight to Hades. Some of my ETX’s faux
pas were cosmetic. A little girl at the Chinese factory had stuck the Meade
label on the tripod on upside down. The RA setting circle had been glued firmly
in place and was incapable of being calibrated. Neither of these things was a
big deal, but the ETX125PE hadn’t come cheap, and Unk was a trifle miffed.
What really surprised
me was that the ETX optical tube, usually flawless since the little scopes hit
the street back in the 1990s, had a severe problem. I noted bad reflections any
time a bright object was in the field. Checking revealed the scope’s eyepiece
tube had not been screwed-in properly; it was cross-threaded into the scope’s
back and canted at an angle. I was able to fix it with a strap wrench and a few
minutes of my time, but I was shocked that it had got out of the factory in
this condition.
“But Uncle Rod, how do I know if a company is on its last legs, or what the hell it’s doing?” Don’t isolate yourself. If you are reading this, I assume you are into the Internet side of amateur astronomy. If not, make it a point to take a stroll through the Cloudy Nights forums, Astromart’s forums, and the Astronomy Forum once in a while. You can’t believe ever’thing you read in those places, of course, but if the consensus of the BBS' inmates is “Acme Telescopes is about to have a meltdown,” you ought to be cautious before buying from that company. REAL cautious.
“But Uncle Rod, how do I know if a company is on its last legs, or what the hell it’s doing?” Don’t isolate yourself. If you are reading this, I assume you are into the Internet side of amateur astronomy. If not, make it a point to take a stroll through the Cloudy Nights forums, Astromart’s forums, and the Astronomy Forum once in a while. You can’t believe ever’thing you read in those places, of course, but if the consensus of the BBS' inmates is “Acme Telescopes is about to have a meltdown,” you ought to be cautious before buying from that company. REAL cautious.
Which bring us to what the early adopters of the LX80 from
the failing Meade encountered. My buddy, Jack Huerkamp, had decided to take a
chance, so I was able to try his not quite stock 80 at the 2012 Deep South Regional Star Gaze not long after
mounts began to flow to customers. To say the least, I was not impressed. Even in
alt-azimuth mode with a 20-pound load, it was far from stable. 70-pounds as
Meade claimed? It didn't have a dog’s chance in hell of doing that. It was very
shaky with just Jack’s 9.25-inch SCT; at least in part due to a poorly designed
spring-loaded gear system that caused the scope to bounce. Equatorial mode? Even less steady than altazimuth. Oh, and
the computer locked up on us on the second evening. Jack wisely returned the
thing.
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| Miss Charity Hope Valentine |
So…the LX80 was not ready for prime time when it was
released. It was starkly underpriced for what it was advertised to do. When it (immediately) showed design problems, Meade no longer had the
resources to fix it. If you hewed to the first three rules, you’d have chosen not
to buy and would have saved yourself mucho heartburn.
“Beware a Company
that’s Introduced too Many New and Complex Products at Once.” That hurt the
LX80 and the other new rig Meade introduced concurrently with it, the LX800 GEM,
almost as much as the company’s financial difficulties. Their resources were
stretched way too thin to support both new rigs, and probably would have been
even in Meade’s salad days. The LX80 was bad enough, but the expensive LX800 was
worse. It didn't work at all.
In their defense, Meade recalled all the 800s, fixed (some of) the
problems, and re-released the mounts/scopes at the LX850 series—which, while having its share of problems, did work. That didn't help the LX80 owners, of course. While their mounts
worked, sort of, they did not live up to the specs Meade released for them (and
still has posted). Not even close. I hope Meade’s new Chinese owners, who
picked up the pieces late last year, do something to help these folks, but they
haven’t yet.
“Don’t Assume a
Simple Non-computerized Telescope Mount Won’t Have Problems.” So, only
Meade can do wrong? Not hardly. Let’s talk Celestron now. My Advanced VX GEM is fairly
sophisticated electronically given its NexStar goto system. That was not what
brought down the first mount I received, however. As I wrote here, a mis-threaded bolt-hole did it in. That is
the just sort of thing we can expect with inexpensive, minimally QAed gear. Minimalist
QA can affect anything, not just
circuit boards. What can you do about it? Thoroughly
test a new scope or mount IMMEDIATELY after you receive it, even if that
means you have to play with it inside as the rain pours outside (natch).
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| Emma Peel on the replacement VX... |
Even if a telescope has been made for years and years,
changes in production and electronic design can bite you. Take the Meade LX90
that I gushed about above. It had been made for about ten years and was one of
the company’s most problem-free scopes when my friend Mike Weasner bought one.
Alas, like my NS11, it suffered from a jumping drive. The fix was not as simple
as it was for the Celestron, however, and Mike swapped the scope out for multiple
LX90s in an effort to get one that worked right. He eventually wound up with an
LX200 GPS instead.
Meade fixed the 90, but it took quite a while. Part of the
problem was the disruption caused by the move of production to Mexico. Mostly, however, the 90's woes were caused by electronic changes designed to simplify the scope and add new
features. Most companies do that as time rolls on. Simplifying is usually a
good thing, but not always. Changes of any sort put out the welcome mat for Mr.
Bug, and just about everything in our scopes' drives these days is dependent on
the proper functioning of computer code.
What can you do about it? Again, test thoroughly. Test all the scope’s modes and features, including
EQ tracking with a fork mount SCT if you have access to a wedge. As above, keep
your ear to the ground on the Internet. Almost every scope/mount has a
Yahoogroup devoted to it, and new problems will show up there in a right quick
hurry. No, you can’t always take one or two problem reports seriously—the
people who had trouble programming their VCRs have an even harder time with
goto scopes—but a bunch of complaints don’t just equal smoke, it means FIRE.
Meade and Celestron, even in their new Chinese-owned guises,
are relatively small outfits, but you can go even smaller in amateur astronomy.
To one-man garage operations. Some of these, like Shoestring Astronomy and Sky Engineering, and
quite a few others, are resounding, reliable successes that have been around a
long time and are obviously in it for the long haul. While good small manufacturers like these are not the exception in astronomy, neither are they the rule. Amateur astronomy's tiny businesses offer
products that range from amazingly good to amazingly horrible. You can’t always
get a good read on the quality of their equipment, either. Often, too little of it is
out there for that, and, naturally, the reviews posted on the sellers’ websites
are always glowing.
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| One misbegotten gadget. |
I hope the seller has improved his product in the
intervening years. Since he is still around, I presume he has, but in 1999 his
platform did not work. It sucked, in
fact. It didn't work with an 8-inch scope, much less the 12-inch it was
advertised for. What was worse? His response when Pat asked for a refund after
weeks of fiddling with the thing, “I don’t have a return policy.” In other words NO REFUNDS. Sometimes you find gold
in them thar garages, but experiences like Pat’s are always a possibility. In
retrospect he and Uncle Rod (who was complicit in the buy) should have been
more cautious.
“Don’t Wait too Long
to Get a Problem Resolved.” Like I did with my Celestron Ultima C8,
Celeste. On First Light Night, the very evening after I received my beautiful
new SCT, a problem cropped up. I was happily observing with my new baby in the
backyard when the drivebase let out a whine and the scope began a high-speed
slew in R.A. that didn't stop till I cycled the power.
Was I disturbed? You are dang right I was, but I
procrastinated. I was in denial. What I shoulda done the next morning was call the vendor I
bought the scope from, tell them about the problem, and insist on an immediate
exchange. Instead, I waited, and waited. In my defense, 1995 had a right cloudy
spring and summer. I was only able to get the Ultima 8 out once in next couple of weeks, to
the Mid South Star Gaze. The problem didn't recur
there, so I thought I was OK. Unfortunately, the reason it didn't come back was
because it didn't have time to come
back, given the pitifully few hours of observing we got. Nevertheless, I assumed the First Light malfunction had
been a fluke.
You know what they say about the word “assume,” doncha? At
the 1995 Deep South Regional Star Gaze the following autumn, the R.A. runaway
came back with a vengeance, spoiling most of the last and best night of the
star party. The good thing was that the telescope was still under warranty—with
about five months to run—but a warranty repair meant I had to pay to ship the drivebase back to California, and was
without a working scope for weeks. I should have set up the
Ultima 8 in the living room the morning after First Light, turned it on, and
let it track for an extended period to see if the problem came back (it would
have). I didn't and paid the price.
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| Who is that young feller with the U8? |
A Corollary to the above rule is, “Never Call the Manufacturer if you have a DOA Telescope; Call the Seller.” If you bought a new TV at
the cotton-picking BestBuy, brought it home, turned it on, and it didn't work,
you wouldn’t ship it back to Panasonic for repair, now would you? Nope. You‘d
take it right back to the store for a refund or replacement. That is exactly what
you should do with a telescope that's bad out of the box, too.
If you do call the manufacturer, what will happen? They will
likely have you ship the scope to them for repair. Shipping will (usually) be on their
dime, but you will be without the new scope for weeks—or even months.
So don’t do that. Most of our dealers today are outstanding. I’ve
worked with Skies Unlimited, Astronomics, Anacortes, OPT and quite a few others over the last twenty years and
have always been made happy. They will help you with a bum scope like my
dealer, Bob Black at Skies Unlimited, helped me with my faulty VX. A good
dealer will (and should) deal with the manufacturer for you if they need to be brought into the discussion.
Some folks ask me if having the manufacturer repair a new telescope
or mount might not still be a good idea if the dealer doesn't have another one
in stock and it would take weeks to get a replacement. That’s for you to
decide, but I advise you to get an exchange from the dealer. You paid for a working
scope, not one that has been repaired. And it will likely take just as long for
the maker to fix it as it will for the dealer to get another one.
Not all Troubles are brought on by the depredations of
telescope makers, y’all. We create some of them for ourselves. I like small APO refractors. Hell, I’ve
got a couple of ‘em. They are great for wide-field imaging, but there is a
limit to what they can do visually, and most won’t satisfy you long as a
primary instrument. Unfortunately, lots of newbies get to reading the refractor
forums in places like the Cloudy Nights BBS and convince themselves that pretty 80mm APO,
since it has “perfect” optics and is so expensive, will be all they will ever
need.
If only ‘twere so. Once Janie Novice moves past oohing an
ahhing over the Moon and Saturn, and especially after she gets a few looks
through a fellow astronomy club member’s plebeian 8-inch Dobsonian (which cost a
third what her 3-inch did), she’ll be an unhappy camper. Let’s face it, a
3-inch—or four inch or five inch—telescope is, well, a three-inch telescope.
Even if perfectly made, the merciless laws of physics, those cold equations,
won’t allow it to show as much as the dirt-cheap 8-inch Dobbie.
There are reasons to buy small, expensive refractors, but
seeing lots of stuff visually is not one of them. Luckily, small APO refractors
hold their prices well and you can unload one for a more practical scope (or hang
onto it as your grab ‘n go) when disillusionment sets in. But save yourself the
trouble and start with an instrument that will show you plenty of cool things,
not just look good sitting in your living room. “Don’t
Buy a Telescope that is Too Little.”
Whether you are a novice or an old hand, also beware of the
other misstep plenty of us make. “Don’t
Buy a Telescope That is Too Much.” This especially afflicts novices with a
nice pocketful of change to spend on the first scope. “Man, Cousin Bubba’s C8
sure shows lots, but a 12-inch must be even better.”
And it may be—if you have a permanent observatory or can at least wheel it
outside on wheely bars. Otherwise? Not
so much.
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| Unk and friend. |
Big scopes are fun, but most of us want a more “reasonable” one
for much of our observing. Since, I have not been able to observe from my backyard
for years due to its tree-clogged sky, my C8 on a GEM gets far more sky-time
than my fork mount C11. I enjoy the C11 when I do lug it out for special runs,
but my bread-and-butter night by night isn't even a C8; it's a Short Tube 80 refractor.
Final advice? In
the long run, you’ll be happier and more productive if you focus on the
telescope you have, not the one you want next. I went for years constantly dreaming
of the More Better Gooder. It sure was fun to drool over the magazine ads, but
one day I got tired of it all (well sorta) and decided I wouldn’t move on to
the next big thing till I’d wrung every ounce of performance out of what I had.
Guess what, muchachos? I still
haven’t exhausted the potential of my two decade old 8-inch telescope (I did buy
that new Edge 800 SCT last year, but that was my RETIREMENT GIFT, y’all), much
less my 12. My time tested scopes keep my bank account happy, and I don’t spend
my days—and nights—worrying about dadgum Telescope Trouble.
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But you know there's this cool new NexStar Evolution that was just announced a couple days ago, and is everything i've been wanting, and i've just got to buy one now...
Oh well, i'll just have to be patient.
Oh well, i'll just have to be patient.
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Just read this as I am thinking of buying an LX80 OTA. How are the OPTICS on these things?
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Just read this as I am thinking of buying an LX80 OTA. How are the OPTICS on these things?
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